In the latest episode of Nuance, StayUp.News editor-in-chief Roberto E. Alejandro and police scientist Michael A. Wood Jr. discuss why there is cause for optimism in the fight for social justice and reform. They even manage to keep the discussion under the 20 minute episode length threshold, which has become more of a theory than a practice.

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